I support this if they don’t apply action counting / limits to legacy accounts.
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Fair enough and I agree. But clearly that isn’t the intent as of yet. Through all of this, everything Adalo has written and said, both here and on their main website, seemingly implies a move to force legacy users off the platform and to go elsewhere or cave to Adalo’s pricing demands and pay up.
And anyone not entering into this on a legacy plan, there are a lot of folks confused as to why Adalo would jump from 30k actions to 1mil actions plus absurdly unreasonable variations in add-on packages, against a price point that plainly doesn’t add up (to us). But thinking from Adalo’s perspective, it makes perfect sense.
They’ve created a baseline that forces any moderately successful, or dreams to that end, apps to upgrade to the highest priced plan sooner than later. The lower actions/priced plans aren’t meant to sustain anyone, that’s purely intentional. (If we legacy users weren’t granted 12 months leniency, how many would already be gone?)
I believe Adalo’s profit model is solely based on the highest tiered plan and everything below it is nothing more than a honeypot to lure (or trap) folks into this idea they can start an app business with no experience and zero capital funding. For those already in the system, many of whom have built their livelihoods around the apps they’ve developed and deployed, or have spent countless hours to get to that point, we’re being given a rather simple, albeit crude decision: pay up or get out, and the suggestion that legacy users may not be provided upgraded features, prevalent since our time as legacy is not unlimited, further implies the “forced hand” approach. Pay up or GET OUT.
Either by way of clueless goons or deeper pockets, IF Adalo’s new model sees any level of success in days to come, I foresee legacy users being sidelined and pushed to the back of the line, both in support and performance/features, as our 12 month grace period isn’t because Adalo cares… it’s either because they didn’t want to face lawsuits, or because they’re hopeful we’ll stay long enough to eventually just cave to their new structure.
Sadly, it seems Adalo has either forgotten - or doesn’t care - that their success is the result of their customers. Not only from a marketing and growth standpoint, but the basic fact that they sell a service/product, which requires customers to pay for that service/product. And without the loyal customers who have put up with the ever-challenging lackluster performance and empty promises since Adalo’s inception and anywhere in between then and now, Adalo wouldn’t exist.
Their way of showing their appreciation to their customers for making Adalo a booming success in the no-code industry? Implement price hikes that don’t reflect the quality of service in return.
I’m in the same boat as most everyone else - I have no issue paying more for this service; I expected as much at some point. And it’s only fair to do so to help see the system you’ve long-supported continue to thrive and improve. But when those price increases come packaged with a huge reduction in services provided, especially coupled with a platform that is no where near perfect, that’s a major slap in the face to current, loyal customers without even addressing future customers.
Adalo is currently in process of making a cataclysmic error as a business, where most businesses with forward-thinking and logically-minded leadership would take signals from customers as an indicator the current direction is a terrible mistake, the leadership of Adalo is either clueless (not likely), or their greed/ego is obscuring logic (likely).
Even if they were to rectify course today, I and anyone else who takes note of red flags would be very cautious and attentive to everything Adalo does and says going forward, as this moment has proven they will flip script with zero regard to the concerns of the people who made Adalo a success. That sort of instability in managing a business does not instill confidence in the consumer.
Will Adalo do the right thing? Based off of the week-long thread of anger and fury only to be met with a response from the CEO that the pricing model was slightly readjusted to further benefit the highest paying customers, I have zero confidence in Adalo’s leadership.
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In addition to the extra cost for each action (and some user buttons have 6-10 actions as the DB is basic and restrictive in design), there must be a technical overhead to record and measure each action, so I am wondering if this is going to slow down the platform even more.
I would be happy to pay for user actions (button click, etc) as that is based on success of the user base, but in order to do anything meaningful in Adalo you have to have a load of actions just to do basic database activity, so the more features to try to offer your app user base the less cost effective it becomes, i dont see this as scalable, just totally inefficient platform.
I came to Adalo to help out a friend, my background is software development (CTO, solution architect, developer, etc), my first impression was it is good platform for startups, but everyone wants their App to be a success, so all I can see from this pricing change is scaring potential makers away.
I totally understand Adalo having to change pricing model, as cloud services such as AWS come at a cost, and more active apps will require more cloud resources, however I do feel that makers are being charged for the inefficiencies of the platform (poor DB, poor controls).
I can also see no mention of the market place, are the premium components included in the Business plan, or do makers have to pay extra for simple functionality such as a calendar control that works.
Some have suggested that Adalo has changed and doesn’t care about the people who were here from the start, it is more likely the $10m investment came from venture capitalists, and they want a return on investment and have David by his ****s.
Someone in this thread stated that Adalo is moving more towards web app instead of native, is that the case?
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Hello
@David and respected adalo team
Honestly new pricing plan isnt fair at all.
lets calculate a real business model
I am from Sudan and developing a health app services(cheap alternative) through your platform .
by calculation i need like 300-500 (mainly chat message and api requests ) actions between end users at least to generate successful service for 1$ in revenue before calculating my local operation & in house expenses
so professional plan gives 30000 action for like 65 $ which will generate only 75 $ revenue that is 10 $ profit before netting other expenses out in best case scenario.
yes we are in MVP phase so that many users will use more than 500 actions exploring the app without purchasing a service.
your previous plan was expensive but manageable but now with this plan and limited actions its impossible for me in developing country to grow with you.
please reconsider this pricing or at least make actions unlimited or at least by 1 millions starting from professional plan.
Over all you all deserve special gratefulness for bringing such a platform of nocode to this level . and give us this opportunity.
sincerely,
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Abuse of app actions is a real thing. @David
A valid point. Even say random users in general, bots, etc.
Who controls the abuse of app actions?
What does Adalo consider an app action abuse?
How does an Adalo user know or will know who’s abusing actions to be proactive in not allowing it to continue?
How would an Adalo user know if their app actions is not caused by an error in development (a component, etc) or by a user?
How are app actions tracked to know where the abuse is coming from?”
How does Adalo differentiate between a spike in app actions from either abuse or say viralness?
Adalo users are at the mercy of little to zero information about app action abuse, zero methods of controlling it, but forced to pay extra fees because of it.
It feels like app actions limits creators (specific apps), limits users outside of the US due to currency rates (budgets), and prices out basic apps with small budgets. Adalo is limiting their own growth.
#RemoveAppActions
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This means, you have done three App-Actions.
Plus if you have some hidden actions, which changing the page or while pressing a buttion, then that is also counted as a separat App-Action.
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Hey Everyone!
First of all, thank you.
I know this is a very passionate topic, so I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your willingness to engage and provide your feedback here.
I am going to go ahead and close out this topic. What?! You’re closing it??
Yes, I recognize that there are still some unanswered questions and feedback that hasn’t been responded to just yet; so before I close it out I have a few points to make.
- Quick remember that as a current customer (regardless of whether you are on a monthly or annual plan) you will be able to stay on the same plan you’re on until July of 2023. This will give us a full year to adjust and answer a lot of the feedback here. (As well as to add a lot of new things to our product!)
- I have opened up more time on my calendar to continue talking with you all and getting even more feedback on this topic or chat about any of these things in person. If you would like to talk more about this right now, please book a time to talk with me.
- A lot of you expressed concerns about being able to control your App Actions limit. We are working on a way to do that right now.
- There were a lot of great questions about App Actions, how we came up with those numbers, and how to figure out what realistic numbers that you can expect in your app. These are all great points. We will gather this information and continue to add answers to our FAQ section on pricing.
As is the case with every great product, you are constantly iterating and evolving what you’re working on. And we will continue to do that here. I’m sure this won’t be the last time we talk about this, but for now we’re going to go ahead and close this out. Again thank you all so much for your feedback.
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