My guess would be to track different IP address or/and visitor’s login, but there should be something to track.
Another thought would be to differentiate counting method between MVP apps and internal tool apps, the latter could use users counting.
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Call me crazy,
Selling “visits” would be much easier than selling actions
Put another way,
It would be much easier for the app builders’ client to understand value (thus, more likely to pay)
The idea that my current user base is somehow high and deserving of personalized negotiation is only showcasing that this isn’t the kind of platform to allow growth for my business.
This does not appear to be a pricing plan that rewards growth.
Especially given a competitor attempted a similar / same pricing plan - and then paused it.
But Adalo has decided they will instead copy the pricing plan that was so bad that Bubble had an uprising of their base?
Negotiating the current pricing plan seems like it would be a waste of time.
That’s how bad it is.
There will always be counter argument for pretty much most of the cases if not all, especially the ones that are considered as expenses and recurring.
Playing defensive to make people do according to our needs could result to null.
Another worth mentioning, web app is different than website, it can be revealing to browse udemy course to build web apps from frameworks.
I’ll consider pricing structured around database storage and asset storage space used - not actions, not views.
Charging for actions a person performs in an app in this way is not compatible with my business.
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Any plan structure would be expected to have a top tier that has a capped plan price with near to wholesale overage prices.
This is how most businesses operate.
Hopefully we can continue to do business.
If we want to provide a better app experience for our users, we need to increase the number of actions to some extent.
However, we cannot increase the number of actions because we will have to charge an infinite number of additional fees for each action.
On the contrary, there will be a need to reduce the number of actions that are currently set.
This will not make the user experience better, but rather less satisfying, so it is a natural decision to consider tools other than Adalo.
Paying extra for actions feels at odds with growing the app and improving the user experience.
Hey all,
That has been quite the read. I appreciate the variety of opinions, evident passion for Adalo and that many of you have been genuinely helpful by providing a variety of different use cases for us to think about.
Thank you for being so open in your interactions. I can promise you that the Adalo team are reading and discussing internally each and every one of the comments in this thread.
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Hello everyone and especially Adalo.
Here’s an option to adjust the cloths.
This option I believe to be the best for all user levels.
For those who develop their own APP by themselves and go to medium and larger agencies.
As more space in the database is needed, Adalo can sell every 10 GB for an amount X.
By Action, it will be unfeasible for most to develop an application, as there is no way to control the access of client users.
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I’m a bit disappointed that the actions are so low per month - you can blow through the limits quickly… and I would have to pay so much just to access the collections API. I am a 1 person shop and with just me alone developing my app I have over 6500 actions in one month. Granted I am performing many actions building but a little scary. I also use APIs and VERY disappointed that you need a team account in order to use them. I don’t need a team account and its a HUGE price increase for just accessing APIs. It just won’t work for me. I may need to rethink my app approach as I haven’t published a finished product yet, close, on Adalo. I love Adalo… but unsure if the new structure works best for my needs. I’m not really angry, just really disappointed that I spent so much of my valuable time on a platform that changed course on me in the middle of my game plan.
My 2 cents… 
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Unfortunately $160mo for access to the collections api will probably price us out.
I love Adalo, I really enjoy creating on it, it’s been fantastic for us to knock up an MVP to float with our users.
Being a long term corporate project and then programme manager, using Adalo has been nothing short of learning a super power!
I appreciate this is a really difficult balancing act for Adalo to find (rather you guys than me).
I think the pricing structure has been too low for too long, the trick will be to try and find a compromise which won’t see some of the larger Adalo makers fleeing for other platforms.
I imagine long term these makers will be the cash cows.
I know how expensive it is to have an app developed by an agency in the traditional way, so Adalo has been, for us, a real revelation.
However these are some real issues which need resolving…never easy to do in a public setting though…
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I am trying to build a freemium business model and it can’t be done with high priced actions. Adalo need to doble or triple the amount of actions by plan and each $8 addon!
@dhmedia I’m in the same situation as you
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Just wanted to clarify my understanding after reading @dhmedia and @msmurfitt 's messages on API pricing.
The way I understood the Team and Business plans has Adalo’s collection API. Meaning if you want to use Adalo’s backend and make any GET, POST, DELETE etc operations from within your custom app or your Adalo app or a blend or however it is that you are accessing Adalo collections via its API.
I did not interpret it to mean using APIs within custom actions. Eg sending email using sendgrid API, fetching weather data, financial data etc using ‘custom actions’. I think custom actions for external API will be availble ‘Professional’ plan as well.
Hope I’m right. Appreciate if someone can clarify.
If I’m wrong I’m not sure what features ‘custom actions’ would include or what is a use case for custom actions.
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I can understand the need to increase pricing. I’m sad though because of the API price. This completely lost me on that one.
I agree this deserves some clarification, as having to pay the highest price to be able to utilize external functions (automated workflows for example) would translate to having to pay the highest tier to make Adalo work effectively. But if it is referencing access to making internal changes via api (collections), that’s a different ballgame altogether.
Perhaps the approach we all should be taking at this point is: “how can we help Adalo be a success while Adalo helps all of us be a success”
I get business is business but this particular business affects both the service and the consumer in a much larger way than say a big box store selling shoes to the consumer. This isn’t just something we’re going to wear around and replace when it becomes necessary; this could be the difference between our revenue success and failure, the same applies to Adalo.
This relationship between Adalo and consumer is symbiotic to some extent, in the fact that what one side does will affect the other, so there needs to be balance between the two for both to succeed, otherwise we both fail.
I’m not against paying more for a service if I feel that service is delivering value for my money; this concept trickles down to my customers as well. I would love to see Adalo grow, double their workforce, deliver much needed support and content to their customers. But not at the expense of running my business into the ground, trying to struggle to maintain a system for myself that makes sense to me and my customers.
To the folks at Adalo, I implore you not to become yet another company that weeds out “the little guy” by making a potentially awesome product unattainable by the entry-level and quick-to-market maker, and instead places that ability into the hands of the “big guys” who don’t need yet another advantage.
This is why I was drawn to Adalo. Not simply because of accessibility for the new to app building market, but because you offered a product/service that fulfilled many of my needs at an affordable and attainable level that gives me the opportunity to explore, build, learn and perhaps compete with those who have been in the game longer, have deeper pockets, or more experience. You’ve given an edge to those with zero experience or some experience, or maybe even ample experience but needed a new approach to entering the app world.
Your announcement of changes have certainly sparked anger, fear, anxiety, sadness… an array of emotions, and all certainly warranted, in my opinion. It is not only our right but our responsibility to respond to such changes in a way that displays our disdain for your decisions, as those decisions affect all of us uniquely, yet similarly.
Though I don’t intend this statement to be politically charged, I think we all can agree, from our locations across the world, that the global climate (not the weather) is changing, and these changes are affecting our finances and how we process day to day life. Building apps with Adalo could be the difference between maintaining an income and finding the opposite to be life changing in unprecedented ways.
There’s a unique and fine balance to this equation that makes Adalo’s success equally profitable to the success of its customers, and such measures to ensure both must be explored. Otherwise, Adalo becomes the very thing, I believe, it was created to stand against. That is, providing a service to any and all, rather than isolating to only those who have the substantial backend resources to obtain it.
So, I’ll close with this. I’ve stepped back from approaching this situation from an emotional response to a logical response. How can WE help you, Adalo, help US, the consumer, in both of our endeavors to be successful, sustainable and effective in the markets to which we all are interconnected?
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Since this came out of the new prices, I stopped working, promoting on social networks, leaving client projects unemployed because I don’t know how the charges will be, when this is activated… the truth is that ADALO broke many of our dreams… first they attract us with a good proposal and once we become clients they kill US with this new change… when a company makes an adjustment in prices it is to increase and give a profit, it is not to change the whole scheme of the contract!
example: today you put an internet plan in your house x 10 dls per month you use it for 1 year and from one day to the next they tell you that this plan is going to change well you think it will cost 20 dls, ok, but no … you They say now it costs 100 dollars, you can see from a single cell phone, you can only access 20 pages a month and you only have 5 hours to watch videos… WHATTT??? and your business was supported by that internet… bye! you killed a company and its work scheme
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While I absolutely understand the rationale behind this shift, there’s a couple of things that are absolut deal breakers for me:
- The number of actions per month, I have over 50,000 actions a month with only 3000 users, and I’m thinking of scaling to over 100,000 users
- The collections API has to be accessible for everyone because Adalo is not mature enough to be used without it
- Finally if you expect me to pay 200$ a month, you BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, so no unaccessible collections every couple of days, no slow apps on android, no crappy marketplace with untested components, no more Adalo components that simply don’t work, and above all we need clarity on usage and privacy.
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Spot on!